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25 July 2009 @ 01:36 am
Torchwood: Children of Earth  
I am beyond words. I hope someone wants to discuss this, because I need to understand.
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tweedisgood: salterbluetweedisgood on July 25th, 2009 02:28 pm (UTC)
RTD is annoyed that the Beeb didn't want to commission a whole new run?
Will Sue for Porn: pooh brain by lycanfaelawyergirl15 on July 25th, 2009 05:52 pm (UTC)
Which brings me to another question. What the heck is wrong with British television? (No offense). I'm sure my view is slanted because I am used to American television and 22 episode seasons, but dear god it's like the BBC doesn't want to invest resources or effort into making a show endure with the same cast. Monarch of the Glen seems like a good example. Actors came and went with no explanation that was plausible and nothing ever seems wrapped up with satisfying ends once a show's run is over.

I'm sure you'll have some insight into this, maybe you can help me understand. Please???
tweedisgood: sitonchairstweedisgood on July 25th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
Actually I don't think it means something is "wrong" with British TV that seasons are shorter (plenty else is wrong, I admit, but I believe shorter series (even much shorter) can prefectly well produce decent drama - assuming the writing is right). The BBC does invest in long term dramas, eg the Eastenders soap, on for 24+ years twice a week and counting [not to mention The Archers on the radio!]. As do its 'competitors' (non-level playing field, given the ability of the BBC to levy a licence fee - and although I disagree with some of the executive salaries, you won't get me naysaying the principle, I like ad-free TV). But seasons are shorter all round as we have a different way to arrange schedules - no 'sweeps',BBC still does dedicated coverage of certain important sporting and other events [eg Proms are on BBC2 right now, yay], Spring and autumn schedules, Bank holiday weekends etc. Actors' contracts are not the typical 'sign 7 years of your life away in advance' Hollywood ones, so if they want to move, they do. At the moment there is also a bit of a fashion for "event TV", a short series stripped over a week: Occupation, Red Riding, Criminal Justice spring to mind. Again, can still produce good results.

In sum, I would say it is partly cultural, partly economic/legal...but others may have more to say, I can't pretend to be any more than a slightly non-average viewer.

Edited at 2009-07-25 09:01 pm (UTC)
Will Sue for Porn: flower rainbowlawyergirl15 on July 25th, 2009 09:26 pm (UTC)
Does each household pay a license fee? How much is it? Sometimes I think I would gladly pay that to avoid commercials. Although DVRs have made life much nicer in that respect.

Proms are broadcast? I think that would be fun to watch.

I didn't mean to imply that there isn't decent television on BBC. It's just that I get am used to having 22 episodes to love characters and when it's only 13, or like with Torchoowd this season, only 5, it seems too short; like I don't get to spend enough time with the characters.

Does the show generally know before it's done in production if it will get another season? That might make a difference too. Here, if a show is not going to be renewed, they sometimes know enough in advance that they can tie it up. But if you've already shot your whole run before you know if you get another season, that could be why things seem left hanging.

Frankly, I think RTD just tried to cram a "typical" season's worth of emotional development in 5 episodes along with too many other plot points.
tweedisgood: braverymalcolmtweedisgood on July 25th, 2009 10:23 pm (UTC)
Yes, it's against the law not to have a TV licence and you can be fined £1,000: they have detecting equipment. Current cost of a colour licence is [hang on, just going to look at my licence where it's tucked under the TV] £139.50 a year (around $229)

Proms are great, especially the Last Night - when the boys were small they would camp out in the lounge in sleeping bags to watch because they would usually be asleep before 'Jerusalem'... one time I took Steve to the actual event - Proms in the Park (Albert Hall Last Night tickets depend on going to a number of other concerts and the cost of getting into London mounts up) but people were so busy picnicing and chatting we couldn't hear and he had to stand on a giant wheelie bin to see the stage.

As far as continuations go, you generally get an announcement after the fact but in some cases shows must know - one reason why half the cast of Robin Hood got killed off this season.

Over here there certainly are long running shows with continuing characters (Dr Who, prime example, also Spooks[MI5]) in whom one can invest, as it were. But they tend to stretch over years rather than one long season, and not all of them are exported, so you over the Pond may not see as many

I agree with your last para, though.

Edited at 2009-07-25 11:03 pm (UTC)
Will Sue for Porn: giggle giles by cileylawyergirl15 on July 28th, 2009 02:29 am (UTC)
LOL. I don't think we are talking about the same thing on Proms. I just googled Proms in the Park and it appears to be a series of concerts. Not the high school events where boys wear tuxedos and girls wear evening dresses?
tweedisgoodtweedisgood on July 28th, 2009 07:27 am (UTC)
LOL, I assumed you knew what I meant, they are a bit world famous, but I suppose it depends if one likes classical music.

Not so much a "series of concerts", more a 104-year-old National Institution. And the Last Night? Predictable (the second half always has exactly the same programme, plus flag waving and group singing of Land of Hope and Glory/Rule Britannia, our second string national anthems)but unmissable (though we will be in Spain this year, heh).
\m/ (>.<) \m/: iSlaymisswitch on July 25th, 2009 03:33 pm (UTC)
Last episode was just piss poor storytelling. It's like they had no solution in mind when they started, just going "Oh, you know what would be cool...?" I really feel like it was just pulled out of RTD's ass.
I Am the Bad Wolf: jack whateverjerel on July 25th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
icon for RTD, not you.
You mean like every finale he wrote for Dr. Who? Three words: Tinkerbell Jesus Doctor.
\m/ (>.<) \m/: tardis timelord yesmisswitch on July 25th, 2009 04:42 pm (UTC)
Re: icon for RTD, not you.
Oh, truefax right there!

Actually, one of the things I've noticed is that the Doctor never actually saves the day in the finale. It's always the companions that do all the heavy lifting. Rose in Parting of the Ways (and Doomsday to some extent) Martha in Last of the Timelords and Donna in Journey's End.

Will Sue for Porn: crappy icon by fluffylawyergirl15 on July 25th, 2009 06:02 pm (UTC)
Re: icon for RTD, not you.
LOL. I just watched Last of the Time Lords the other day and was thinking "does he have to assume that weird pose as he's hovering around the room?"

Is your icon stealable? I quite like it.

Edited at 2009-07-25 06:03 pm (UTC)
Will Sue for Porn: Huh by Cileylawyergirl15 on July 25th, 2009 06:01 pm (UTC)
Well and frankly it's like he just destroyed the whole history of what is Torchwood for no good reason. Jack's going to space? Jack's an ass with no emotion who always does what has to be done and damn the consequences? Is Gwen going to continue Torchwood?

And wow, I can see what they think of Americans. Apparently our army would just step in and hand over children rather than thinking "mmmm, we have a lot of scientists in our country, let's take a quick crack at it."

One last rant, the actress who played Jack's daughter annoyed the crap out of me. Her facial expression was a smile at all times except when she was screaming. Happy, mad, puzzled, pissed, sad, all the same weird smile.

Even as mad as I got at Joss, I felt like when he killed a character there was more of a point than just pissing everyone off or to prove he could. RTD is a jerk.
I Am the Bad Wolfjerel on July 25th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
I think all we need to understand is that RTD believes that characters have to die to create drama (and he has pretty much said that in several recent interviews.) Even if that means killing off someone FOR NO REASON, just to get the main character to be all angsty.
\m/ (>.<) \m/: Ten slo-mo walkmisswitch on July 25th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
Hopefully Stephen Moffet won't follow in those footsteps.
Will Sue for Porn: Bloody Hell by Chickenflickerlawyergirl15 on July 25th, 2009 06:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that makes him a jackass. But, I feel like he didn't even accomplish anything with Ianto's death. Are we to believe that Jack was more likely to sacrifice his grandson because he had already been "forced" to sacrifice Ianto. Was there any point other than to making Jack so sad he had to leave Earth at the end? And I really thought Ianto deserved a bit better of a death scene. Even him leaving Jack with the bomb was a more riveting scene where you felt the connection between the two of them.